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twelvedoors: lol gay penis
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LokiLoptr_: Should be Twelves quote in the wiki
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austinfauth: DJ never leaves. He must be dead. Problem solved.
Wildmanoftnt: Unless he's just not paying attention
Wildmanoftnt: Or she
austinfauth: It.
austinfauth: It never leaves
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FK123: i think anybody will be stupid to blame God.
FK123: man did this, not God.
taciturn057: god existence is another question.... :p
FK123: well do you think that life on other planets exists?
taciturn057: it s very likely that some other planet might have had the good condition to have some life starting on it, yeah....
taciturn057: *conditions
FK123: no do you believe that there is life right now on another planet?
FK123: my idea is...
FK123: if you believe that there is possibility of life on other planet ....
FK123: then with some regard you believe in God.
taciturn057: i ve no clue about it, and we didn t see any proof of it yet... but it s very likely there might be
taciturn057: and... what would god have to do in any of it...?
FK123: well you say that there could be life on other planets that automatically opens the possibility to god.
taciturn057: life is the result of conditions brought together, then evolution if that s possible. there is no need to bring god in any of it
FK123: sure there is
taciturn057: how do you link those to ideas.... ô_O
FK123: depending what you think god is
FK123: god could be the process of evolution
taciturn057: humm.. hahaha... hahahaha
taciturn057: i think i ll stop there... this is taking an absurd direction...
FK123: nah
FK123: i got you
FK123: thats all :)
taciturn057: yeah sure.. if you want.. you should think about a career in debates... trump might even hire you
taciturn057: you would win all cases by having your adversary leave the debate after 2 min of your saying and reasonning
FK123: thanks
FK123: a win is a win :)
taciturn057: {desperate sigh}
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ranushy: its like i'm jesus, or that i should be forgiving even though they will continue the killing :)
twelvedoors: yes
twelvedoors: if they're going to continue the killing anyway
twelvedoors: why not have the moral high ground?
ranushy: unbelievable, the fact that i'm arguing this with a 30 year old ignorant blind man just made me realize what this world has to offer :)
ranushy: "thats what jesus would have done" :)
twelvedoors: oh, maybe you're right; we should just kill everyone
peck420: Your life to waste as you see fit.
ranushy: no everyone, just those that deserve it :)
twelvedoors: that'll fix it
twelvedoors: so, like, abbas
ranushy: not* :)
peck420: That would certainly solve the water issues.
ranushy: all the Zionist Israelis :)
twelvedoors: we should all just pick sides based on religious tribalism and throw bullets at each other
twelvedoors: that's the solution
ranushy: the Zionists wont stop killing, and those people in palestine wont just give up their land, the fighting will continue until those demon thieves leave the homes of those people :)
twelvedoors: then i guess the fighting will just continue, full stop.
ranushy: unless those thieves and murderers leave :)
twelvedoors: which isn't going to happen
ranushy: https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/
ranushy: just take a look at this twelve :)
twelvedoors: i've seen it
twelvedoors: it's propaganda
ranushy: look at how many are dying :)
ranushy: i've been to palestine :)
twelvedoors: congratulations
ranushy: as i was walking in the grounds of palestine the zionist soldiers were all caring machine guns, ready to fire at any second, and i was just there to visit :)
ranushy: think of those that live there :)
twelvedoors: oh and they shot you?
ranushy: they've shot so many people :)
twelvedoors: they shot someone in front of you?
ranushy: and the fact that you think its ok for them to carry dangerous weapons as a way to threaten those innocent people just shows that i'm chatting with an old ignorant man :)
twelvedoors: the fact that you don't believe in evolution and also that we have an infinite supply of water says something about you too
ranushy: i'm wasting my time with you :)
twelvedoors: clearly
PuRe_Salt: back
ranushy: welcome back silky! :D
PuRe_Salt: :D
celestialheart: hi
taciturn057: weird discussion here :)
taciturn057: i believe in evolution and we clearly don t have an infinite supply of water
taciturn057: and i also think the zionist, in palestine, are the pb there...
taciturn057: 60 years ago, palestinian ppl were tranquil, then the jewish ppl, because they lived the Holocaust, and no one did anything to stop it, were granted some land they claimed belonged to them 2000 years ago...
life1996: You are making my day sir
taciturn057: and no one seem to wanna acknoledge the issue here... if it hadn t been a "protectorat" from british ppl, they would have never been able to get it...
taciturn057: anyways, i seem to have missed the discussion here...
ranushy: exactly! :)
taciturn057: haha
ranushy: finally, someone with a brain! :D
ranushy: besides me and loki :)
ranushy: and silky :)
PuRe_Salt: Sorry I'm doing some math work
taciturn057: i think twelve has a pretty good brain... i usually agree on most of what he says
taciturn057: but apparently not on palestine vs Zion
ranushy: ^^^^ :)
ranushy: true :)
taciturn057: do you really don t believe in evolution ranu ??
ranushy: thats fine silky, just focus on whats important :)
ranushy: in a way i do :)
taciturn057: i d say there aren t that many ways, you know.... evolution is a very basic theory that you can hardly argue against... no?
celestialheart: it took an hour to do my math homework yesterday
taciturn057: just long, or difficult?
celestialheart: it was long and a bit difficult
twelvedoors: to be clear, i'm not taking sides in the israel vs. palestine conflict
twelvedoors: but
twelvedoors: before i listened to loki calling for the destruction of israel day in and day out, i was very anti-israel
DJ_Church: I'm so sad
DJ_Church: I always imagined insanely ignorant and crazy people were all gone
ranushy: you know the fact that you changed sides just because of a one man's way of saying doesnt make sense :)
taciturn057: do you mean that loki made you change yr mind?
DJ_Church: And people only thought the moon landing was fake because it was funny
PuRe_Salt: DJ
twelvedoors: i mean that loki helped me realize how much both sides of this conflict are just propaganda efforts
PuRe_Salt: You asked how people even speedrun Fallout like 2 days ago
PuRe_Salt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o5yJAYIhKc
taciturn057: i know loki is a bit harsh on it, but the fact that jewish ppl invaded a land that didn t belong to them is a fact... history, neutral history, is just about facts...
twelvedoors: well, that's the history of all nations
loki_loptr____: But nowadays we have international laws, right to self-determination
loki_loptr____: Human rights
ranushy: yet doesnt make it right and that doesnt mean that the people should just give up their land just because "its the history of all nations" :)
ranushy: fighting for our rights is what keeps us going :)
twelvedoors: then have fun dying for them, too
loki_loptr____: I only present the facts
loki_loptr____: Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1.
taciturn057: it s just weird how ppl i find reasonable and who make sense, usually want to remain neutralin this current hot topic... how can history about the facts can be seen as palestinian side, or propaganda....?
twelvedoors: that's not all you present
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.
loki_loptr____: Israel currently has 261 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
ranushy: ^ :)
ranushy: those are all facts twelve :)
twelvedoors: so what?
twelvedoors: what do those facts matter?
ranushy: we're all going to die, but will we die for a cause? or die as losers who gave up whats rightfully theres? :)
twelvedoors: they're fuel for the conflict
ranushy: and allow the thieves to just have what they want :)
twelvedoors: die as a loser who gave up what was rightfully theirs or die as a loser who got shot in armed conflict
twelvedoors: either way, you're a loser
twelvedoors: and dead
ranushy: no, they're heros, who are fighting for their rights :)
twelvedoors: but they lost
twelvedoors: so they're losers
twelvedoors: by definition
ranushy: thats what you dont understand, yet you're fighting for water lol :)
twelvedoors: we all need water
twelvedoors: none of us need jerusalem
loki_loptr____: Twelve does not stand a chance in this debate so he resorts to petty trolling lmao
ranushy: they did not lose, they're showing the world whats going on around them, how much lives are getting lost by these thieves :)
ranushy: you're just too blind to see it :)
twelvedoors: i see it, believe me
twelvedoors: you're too blind to see that there's another way
ranushy: how can i believe you when you're just talking nonsense :)
twelvedoors: maybe you could try listening
ranushy: 2 people agree with me here :)
ranushy: because they see whats happening :)
twelvedoors: i see what's happening :)
twelvedoors: i know what's happening :)
twelvedoors: i'm informed and i have perspective :)
ranushy: yet you changed sides because loki said the truth in a way you didnt like lol :)
kisbi: :) :) :) whats with all the faces
twelvedoors: no
loki_loptr____: RIP to the latest (non combatant) victim of jewish violence
ranushy: kisbi, you're new here :)
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
ranushy: ^ :)
twelvedoors: i moved to a more moderate position because loki has exposed a deeper truth to me
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ranushy: ^ :)
twelvedoors: that this conflict is artificial, and perpetuated by the people who claim that they want to stop it
ranushy: they want what they worked hard to achieve :)
twelvedoors: and what is that, exactly
twelvedoors: jewish genocide?
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
ranushy: they worked hard on their land, their agriculture, their buildings, building their homes :)
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
twelvedoors: who, specifically?
ranushy: yet the jews came and destroyed all of it :)
ranushy: the palestinian people :)
twelvedoors: where's the list of names of palestinians who are working hard on building farms and houses?
twelvedoors: not just the ones who have been killed?
loki_loptr____: During Fiscal Year 2016, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $10.1 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.
twelvedoors: but the ones actively engaged in that, right now?
kisbi: I like pollo
ranushy: lmao, give me the specific names of the people that built ALL the homes on america twelve :)
twelvedoors: i'm just saying, you've got lists of the dead
twelvedoors: because those are the people you bother to track
twelvedoors: because it's good propaganda
taciturn057: it s not about being right or wrong... i m trying to understand how , with perspective, one can come to take a neutral positon on smthg that, for me, is pretty crystal clear
twelvedoors: the us gives more aid to palestine every year than any other country
taciturn057: i really don t get you on this one twelve
kisbi: or everyone could not give a shit about everythin
ranushy: because those that died died innocently, fighting for their rights, they died for a cause, yet you want the names of those that built all the building lol :)
twelvedoors: because palestine has been super effective in advancing their side of the conflict
twelvedoors: they don't tell you about how they convince young palestinians to act as human shields
ranushy: you're obviously mistaking israel for palestine :)
twelvedoors: they don't tell you about all the times abbas outright rejected peace talks
taciturn057: every war is dirty, twelve, that s not smthg new
twelvedoors: exactly
twelvedoors: so there's no good side here
skaren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To7EAl2qkII
loki_loptr____: Twelve spews zionist propaganda lol
twelvedoors: in 2016 alone, the US contributed $355,177,827 to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNWRA), of which $95 million was earmarked for the West Bank and Gaza.
twelvedoors: UNWRA also operates Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
loki_loptr____: Is absurd to say that the Palestinians do not love their children lmao
twelvedoors: In total, therefore, the US gave around $712 million in aid to Palestinians in 2016, and is the world’s largest supplier of such aid.
taciturn057: with that reasonning, my country would have been german by now, and the allies would have never come
loki_loptr____: They allow their children to die at the hands of zionists to make israel look bad?
ranushy: yes there is, its like a home being taken away from the family, and that family is supposed to accept that? :)
twelvedoors: and yet palestinian leadership claims that they don't receive any such aid
loki_loptr____: How stupid does that sound when put in prospective
twelvedoors: that's exactly what they do
twelvedoors: dusty old clerics
twelvedoors: telling young people that israel is the enemy
twelvedoors: and that to die for palestine is a virtue
loki_loptr____: Palestinians receive zero military aid for the US
twelvedoors: that's because palestine doesn't have a military
twelvedoors: duh
loki_loptr____: Ranu, stop allowing twelve to troll you
ranushy: yet the US provides weapons and money to the Zionists to kill the innocent palestinians and kick them out of their homes :)
twelvedoors: The $290 million dispensed to the PA via the USAID program in 2016 was spent as follows: $71 million for Gaza humanitarian assistance and water,
ranushy: ya, this is such a waste of time :)
twelvedoors: $41 million for water supply and sanitation, $31 million for economic growth, energy, and private sector development, $31 million for infrastructure, roads and community Infrastructure, $25 million for education and youth
twelvedoors: and $12 million for democracy and governance. Another $75 million was given for indirect support for debt relief.
twelvedoors: In addition to the USAID money, Washington gave the PA $54,824,000 for security and justice assistance.
loki_loptr____: wasnt 2016 the year israel cut water supply to gaza lol
twelvedoors: Such funds can cover training and supplies for the Palestinian security forces, as well as training for lawyers and judges. Further funding included $8.7 million under the Middle East Partnership Initiative for West Bank- and Gaza-specific programmin
twelvedoors: $2.1 million for public diplomacy to support education, civil society and women’s empowerment; and $2.2 million for the English Access Microscholarship Program.
twelvedoors: The Palestinian Authority’s leaders are open about their policy of providing salaries and other benefits to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails
twelvedoors: , including those convicted by Israeli civil courts of murder and terrorism, as well as to their families if they are killed while carrying out their attacks.
loki_loptr____: Someone killed someone in war time? =O
loki_loptr____: woah twelve
twelvedoors: so that totally invalidates your crocodile tears for dead palestinians
loki_loptr____: If I stand behind you and hit you in the head with a bat, we didnt have a fight
loki_loptr____: I assaulted you
loki_loptr____: That is what is going on in the occupied territories
twelvedoors: because countries are individuals
taciturn057: resistants in france were enrolling ppl to kill german, and sacrifice theirselves for "greater good" ... and dying for a free france was a virtue too... what is the difference here, twelve? i don t get it
loki_loptr____: right over your little head
meganon22: the only reason the us does all that is so that they don't have to feel guilty for all the stuff they've done to them and so they can make themselves look good
loki_loptr____: See Ranu
loki_loptr____: Twelve is like a trained monkey
loki_loptr____: He can be taught things, be he is still an idiot
loki_loptr____: Do not bother with him
twelvedoors: why israel–palestine, loki?
twelvedoors: of all the injustices in the world
ranushy: obviously twelves needs to be put in the palestinian situation, he needs whats happening to them to happen to him in order for him to understand how harsh the situation is, you think losing a loved one that died so young is easy? :)
twelvedoors: why are you so focused on the jews?
Somewhat1337: have you guys ever seen mike matei's massive schlong
taciturn057: it s not about jews....
loki_loptr____: ^
twelvedoors: then why do loki and ranu keep talking about the jews?
loki_loptr____: Lmao
loki_loptr____: Twelve understands so little
twelvedoors: if it's not about the jews, don't make it about the jews
ranushy: while you, an old man sitting behind a screen is defending the zionists the young palestinians are fighting for their rights and dying for it :)
taciturn057: beacuse it s a larger meaning for zionist
loki_loptr____: Just let him tire out, Taci<3
ranushy: while the* :)
twelvedoors: that's the main problem i have with all this propaganda
twelvedoors: so what are you doing to help, ranu?
twelvedoors: why aren't you on the front lines?
twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?
loki_loptr____: Twelves mad
twelvedoors: defending the palestinians?
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?
twelvedoors: i am mad; i'm mad ta you can so flippantly call for genocide
twelvedoors: it's disgusting
meganon22: twelve shut up i've had to put up with watching you rant about water and now this for nearly 2 hours give it a rest and just play the game
loki_loptr____: lolol
twelvedoors: so go to a different chat room
twelvedoors: not like you've had anything to say
loki_loptr____: We like Meganoon
meganon22: yes because i dont care enough to add any input
loki_loptr____: Why so salty, Twelve
ranushy: i'm a child thats defending my rights, no matter where i'm at, and i'll grow up to become someone great unlike yourself :)
taciturn057: play yr ****ing game meganon and stfu
twelvedoors: what rights are you defending?
meganon22: ranu literally joined this chat saying "im gay sos" and you ranted on about water
loki_loptr____: international human rights
ranushy: the palestinian rights :)
twelvedoors: so not your rights
meganon22: tacti feck off
twelvedoors: their rights
loki_loptr____: right to self determination
ranushy: its human rights! :)
twelvedoors: so the israelis also have a claim to them
loki_loptr____: Taci mad too =(
twelvedoors: they being human too
ranushy: being a thief has always been wrong, and fighting for what belongs to you has always been right :)
twelvedoors: you couch this conflict in such simplified terms
twelvedoors: no wonder you have such a one-sided view of it
ranushy: the israelis have claimed whats not rightfully theirs, you dont see that :)
Somewhat1337: mike matei's dong is massive guys
twelvedoors: the israelis are thieves, the palestinians are heroes
taciturn057: calling for a genocide isn t right, it s obviously absurd, anyone here can get it i think, but being against that do not force you to be ther whole cause
twelvedoors: is your solution to kill every last israeli or is it not?
taciturn057: *be against the whole
twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands
twelvedoors: i'm obviously appalled by the gross imbalance of power thre
taciturn057: yes i can go to sleep tranquil tonight =)
loki_loptr____: a bit of a contradiction lmao
ranushy: my solution is to get the israelis out of our land for good :)
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands
twelvedoors: no contradiction whatsoever
ranushy: it does not belong to them :)
loki_loptr____: DEFENDS ZIONIST AGGRESSION*
twelvedoors: where do you want them to go?
twelvedoors: they say it does belong to them
twelvedoors: they say god gave it to them millennia ago
taciturn057: thet weren t there before wwii
twelvedoors: i'm not defending zionist aggression and i never have
ranushy: america seems to be provides them lots of help, britain put them in our land to cause trouble, they can go to those places :)
twelvedoors: what i'm opposing is palestinian aggression
ranushy: providing* :)
taciturn057: resistance
loki_loptr____: State of israel created in 1948
twelvedoors: i'm happy to take them but they want to stay there
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: where are the palestians gonna go? :)
twelvedoors: why can't they stay there and coexist?
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: obviously underground considering they killed most of them :)
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: yet you stand with murderers :)
twelvedoors: jeez, so palestinians killed 134 children?
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
rich90master: what
ranushy: 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 :)
ranushy: do you see that number? :)
taciturn057: i understand you better then, twelve... but still, you can take this argument to make their presence, AND ocuupation right... that s the consequences from their acts... they werent there before 1948... not in that way...
rich90master: im legally blind
twelvedoors: so it comes down to scores for you
twelvedoors: the side that kills less is morally better
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
taciturn057: so where should they go shouldn t be the matter here
loki_loptr____: Not stealing land, massacring people
twelvedoors: well, they were there before 1948, they were just gone for a while
loki_loptr____: Yeah Id say morally better
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: you do realize that most of those palestinians ARE children :)
twelvedoors: so if the palestinains had killed more children than the israelis, you'd be on israel's side
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
rich90master: what even is this chat
ranushy: to technically its children tha killed those israeli children in which those israeli children tried to kill those palestinian children :)
ranushy: so* :)
twelvedoors: so the solution to this conflict is for palestinians to kill more israeli children?
loki_loptr____: We are on the side of humanity
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered me: why this conflict?
twelvedoors: why is this your pet issue?
taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument
loki_loptr____: andd twelve goes for the strawmen
twelvedoors: it's not a straw man
twelvedoors: unless you're made of straw
twelvedoors: i'm asking you, personally
ranushy: because its truth :)
twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine
ranushy: just like what you're presenting loki :)
twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered
taciturn057: not that much twelve sorry
loki_loptr____: hahaha
taciturn057: looks like israel propaganda
twelvedoors: what i'm arguing against is the vilification of people based on their religion
ranushy: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians :)
twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
ranushy: twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians
taciturn057: twelve,
taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
twelvedoors: ok so not ONLY
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
twelvedoors: but neither are you
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
twelvedoors: no i don't want people to intrude into my house
twelvedoors: obviously
loki_loptr____: LMAO
twelvedoors: not really the same thing
ranushy: LOL :)
twelvedoors: loki why israel–palestine?
taciturn057: it looks like exactly the same thing
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
taciturn057: and it actually is
twelvedoors: so all americans should return their land to the native tribes
twelvedoors: by that argument
loki_loptr____: We didnt have 'international rights' in the 1600s
loki_loptr____: Nowadays we have such things as international law
ranushy: ^ :)
taciturn057: indeed, with loki on thta one
ranushy: brb :)
twelvedoors: still doesn't address the issue of what to do now
taciturn057: this isn t a reasonnable question
taciturn057: my previous analogy still stands
twelvedoors: so all the israelis
twelvedoors: including the ones who were born and raised there
twelvedoors: should just get out
taciturn057: of course
loki_loptr____: When twelve gets wrecked by Taci and Ranu <3
loki_loptr____: LMAO
twelvedoors: i don't feel wrecked
twelvedoors: outnumbered, maybe
taciturn057: how can you even ask twelve?
twelvedoors: because i care about human rights
twelvedoors: and displacing people from their homes
celestialheart: gotta proofread my essay
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
loki_loptr____: Same Twelve
taciturn057: if there had been 1 generation of german ppl born i france before the d-day, should have we kept them?
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
twelvedoors: i care about them too
twelvedoors: what upsets me is your call for violence
celestialheart: violence is bad
twelvedoors: and since there's nobody else here to defend the innocent israelis on that side of this conflict, i guess i have to
twelvedoors: "there are no innocent israelis"
twelvedoors: yeah, yeah
taciturn057: the consequence of their atcs belong to them and shoud not be in the "negociation"
twelvedoors: you're talking about children who had no control over where they were born or raised
taciturn057: celest <3
taciturn057: yeah and so..?
ranushy: taci speaks truth! :)
twelvedoors: and so there are no easy answers
ranushy: back :)
loki_loptr____: Starting in 2019, the U.S. will give Israel $38 billion over the next 10 years – $3.8 billion per year, which is $10.41 million per day.
taciturn057: because of that ppl who never asked for that sh*t should deal with them??
twelvedoors: well, that's trump for ya
twelvedoors: it's not about them or the other them, but about all of us
loki_loptr____: Obama did the same thing...
twelvedoors: israel hated obama
twelvedoors: israel loves trump
austin8515: I hate trump
taciturn057: and why israel-palestine issue/topic?
taciturn057: because israel-palestine is currently the biggest injustice in the world, that all our "developped" countries have helped put in place
twelvedoors: what about the rohingyan genocide
twelvedoors: or POK
twelvedoors: or the water crisis in south africa
twelvedoors: or the collapse of the venezuelan economy
taciturn057: they re not the biggest
twelvedoors: or ongoing human rights violations in china
taciturn057: injustice
twelvedoors: they're all equally unjust
taciturn057: that s why
twelvedoors: or US corporations using sweatshop labor
taciturn057: we didn t play such a role in it, twelve
twelvedoors: we do in the lattermost
celestialheart: tweilve i got a question
twelvedoors: at least, we americans do
twelvedoors: yes celest?
DJ_Church: So I'm watching a professional art critic reviewing some popular contemporary movies right, specifically a discussion over original ideas and when is a copy a rip-off
celestialheart: An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors to comparison of kitchen items to the young woman
celestialheart: does this need a comma
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces shot dead Ahmad Abdul-Jaber Salim, 28, with a bullet to the head. They then fired teargas canisters at ambulances and medics trying to treat him. Eye witnesses say the Israeli soldiers were firing live ammunition at Palestinian protes…
twelvedoors: "An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors comparing kitchen items to the young woman."
DJ_Church: Wait let me rephrase that
DJ_Church: I'm watching a video of someone making fun of Bee Movie knockoffs, and he said he liked one of them
celestialheart: except the period
DJ_Church: And that one happens to be based off of nazi propaganda?
twelvedoors: is that not a complete sentence?
loki_loptr____: sraeli soldiers conducting a live-fire training near Palestinian communities in Tubas shot a three-year-old Palestinian boy in the head.
twelvedoors: i'm against nazis
celestialheart: i'm just asking if there is a need for a comma or not
twelvedoors: well, where would the comma be?
celestialheart: idk
twelvedoors: no
twelvedoors: no need for a comma
celestialheart: k
twelvedoors: but "comparing," not "to comparison of"
austin8515: hello
ranushy: shooting a 3 year old is ok twelve? :)
twelvedoors: no
twelvedoors: shooting a three year old is not ok
rich90master: maybe that three year old had it coming
ranushy: the israelis you're defending shot that baby :)
twelvedoors: i'm not defending those israelis
PuRe_Salt: The park is in such a chatty mood today :D
twelvedoors: i'm defending the ones who haven't shot any babies
twelvedoors: i'm also not defending the palestinians who have shot babies
rich90master: that three year old prolly was a drug dealer
taciturn057: but still who shouldnt be there... :p
twelvedoors: but they are there, and there's no good way to kick them out
ranushy: the Israelis release bombs at the homes of the palestinians, technically killing the babies in there :)
twelvedoors: i'm still not defending any baby-killers
ranushy: and i know palestinians give birth like rabbits :)
loki_loptr____: A Palestinian Teen Puts His Hand in His Pocket. His Punishment: A Bullet in the Face
twelvedoors: i'm defending people who have not killed any babies and yet are lumped into the same group
taciturn057: anyways that was a good one... i respect yr opinion, i almost totally understand it, but i still don t agree at all
loki_loptr____: For no apparent reason, Israeli forces fired tear gas and stun grenades at a Palestinian high school during midterm exams.
ranushy: a palestinian teen, which let me tell you, is still a child :)
twelvedoors: yes i agree that teenagers are children
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have killed two more unarmed demonstrators in Gaza. Soldiers also shot a youth dressed as Santa Claus in the legs, and injured over 40 others with live ammunition. This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 si…
loki_loptr____: This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 since Dec. 6th. (No Israelis have been killed since September.)
ranushy: those palestinians who died during midterms, those are all children who looked forward to growing up and having a good life :)
ranushy: that was taken away from them :)
loki_loptr____: Deir Nitham is invaded by Israeli soldiers frequently – this time firing teargas bombs into a school full of children. Dozens suffered from teargas inhalation.
taciturn057: for me the consequences of their act should not serve as an argument against their eviction from that land that doesn t belong to them
loki_loptr____: Mohammed is 14 and in a coma from being shot in the face. Now 2 of his female cousins and his aunt are in prison. Because in occupied Palestine, Israel takes revenge on the victim.
taciturn057: because i still stand on that one : someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
rich90master: bruh can we talk about something else thats actually important
celestialheart: oh shit i have a history test tomorrow
loki_loptr____: Israeli army sharpshooter couldn’t target the lower part of his victim’s body — he didn’t have one. The 29-year-old, who worked washing cars, lost both legs in an Israeli airstrike during Israel’s 2008 invasion of Gaza.
DJ_Church: :(
twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them
taciturn057: good luck with that celest, asyou obviously forgot about it
twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument
DJ_Church: I have to unplug my computer again
DJ_Church: And move my desks
DJ_Church: and I don't wannat
celestialheart: i don
celestialheart: t get rhombi
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have recently abducted and imprisoned over 230 Palestinians – dozens of them children – who now face inhumane conditions in prison. Soldiers refer to them as “Trump detainees.”
loki_loptr____: Video shows shows soldiers dragging a young Palestinian man through the streets of Hebron, repeatedly kicking, slapping, and manhandling him.
rich90master: does anyone actually care what loki is saying
taciturn057: who d be the thieft her etwelve ô_0 ?
taciturn057: *here
twelvedoors: exactly
loki_loptr____: srael is keeping Palestinians in the Dark Ages technologically, at least 16 years behind the rest of the world in internet access, denying human development, which is a human right.
ranushy: and give them the house, after working hard on fixing it, providing a life for your children in it, paying all that money for it, you'd just give it to them :)
twelvedoors: it would be a complicated issue with no clear right or wrong side
rich90master: phew much better muting him
ranushy: *here, take my house and everything in it, and its ok if you killed my child, i'll forgive you" -twelve :)
loki_loptr____: Tom Cotton, expected to become CIA director, is owned by the Israel Lobby. In 2014 he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel and additional money from the Republican Jewish Coalition… Foundation for Defense of Democracies is neo…
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument
ranushy: thats literally how you sound right now :)
loki_loptr____: A 1-minute video about Mohammad Abu Haddaf, 4, who died on On Dec, 6, 2017 from wounds he suffered three years before, when Israeli army drones fired missiles at his family’s home. He had been in critical condition ever since. The missile also kille…
twelvedoors: then you're not listening
twelvedoors: but what else is new
ranushy: twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument
MadCarbine3: whats happening my peeps
MadCarbine3: \
twelvedoors: yeah because maybe i don't have a claim to this house, in that case
rich90master: very dumb convo
ranushy: 2000 years after, you dont have a claim for it :)
twelvedoors: it's complicated
taciturn057: zionist jews came, settled on private lands, called it theirs, it s not very complicated....
ranushy: ^^^^ :)
taciturn057: you can t go back 2000 years ago... it s absurd...
twelvedoors: from the palestinian side, that's how it looks
taciturn057: so from what i get, it s ok to do this for you twelve, if you manage to resist to any evition until you got children there and it s too much complicated to make you move back.... weird....
twelvedoors: look, i don't think religion is a good justification for property claims
twelvedoors: but i'm not jewish
loki_loptr____: Taciturn is a hero
taciturn057: because the only reason ppl start defending now is that they managed to let 60 years go by...
celestialheart: loki do you know any trans ppl
twelvedoors: yeah, and sixty years did go by
ranushy: taci is truly a hero :)
rich90master: man **** this chat
loki_loptr____: We dont have very many trans in the south
loki_loptr____: So no
twelvedoors: i also don't think that religion is a good justification for forcing women to cover their hair
twelvedoors: but i'm not muslim
taciturn057: thanks guys, but that wasn t the purpose
taciturn057: :p
twelvedoors: i don't think religion is a good justification for anything
twelvedoors: and yet it is being used as justification for war
taciturn057: stfu rich, go read the description of this room
loki_loptr____: a modest hero<3
twelvedoors: if it weren't for religious justification, we wouldn't have an israeli–palestinian conflict, just a bunch of people living in the middle east
ranushy: muslim women cover their hair as a way of showing respect to themselves and not have men get attracted to them, its not just muslim women, if you look back not so long ago, all women covered their hair :)
ranushy: even nuns do it :)
twelvedoors: because of religion
ranushy: they used to cover their hair with hats :)
MadCarbine3: twelve you are getting things twisted
twelvedoors: because a bunch of men told them it was immodest and god didn't like it
MadCarbine3: uhhh
taciturn057: half agrre with you one that one ranu
loki_loptr____: Twelve doesnt understand another culture lol
loki_loptr____: Irony
MadCarbine3: yall should do some research before making false claims
ranushy: lol :)
taciturn057: the way it is currently for muslim girl isn t quite like that
ranushy: for some muslim girls its literally cultural :)
twelvedoors: all prohibitions concerning clothing or the lack thereof come from religion
twelvedoors: religious culture
ranushy: to cover is to not show your butt, boobs, anything thats revealing and considered private :)
twelvedoors: dictated by men
taciturn057: muslim guys aren t able to control themselves in front of thier girls so they force them , in most of the case, to wear it...
twelvedoors: i.e. the patriarchy
loki_loptr____: It was apart of the culture
MadCarbine3: yall need to get shit right
twelvedoors: and that's why i'm not trying to tell muslims that they can't wear burkas
loki_loptr____: so custom that religion has adapted it
loki_loptr____: Understand it in the context of history
taciturn057: ranu are you palestinian?
taciturn057: arab?
loki_loptr____: Just like in the jew book, the Torah, it says to kill homosexuals
taciturn057: muslim?
twelvedoors: american?
loki_loptr____: That was generally the custom of the time
loki_loptr____: The holy book adapted it
ranushy: yet some girls wear skin tight clothes and cover their hair, it is cultural, it attracts the eyes more than a girl that doesnt wear a hijab yet wearing a long skirt and a modest shirt :)
LokiLoptr_: twelvedoors: lol gay penis
LokiLoptr_: Should be Twelves quote in the wiki
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austinfauth: DJ never leaves. He must be dead. Problem solved.
Wildmanoftnt: Unless he's just not paying attention
Wildmanoftnt: Or she
austinfauth: It.
austinfauth: It never leaves
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FK123: i think anybody will be stupid to blame God.
FK123: man did this, not God.
taciturn057: god existence is another question.... :p
FK123: well do you think that life on other planets exists?
taciturn057: it s very likely that some other planet might have had the good condition to have some life starting on it, yeah....
taciturn057: *conditions
FK123: no do you believe that there is life right now on another planet?
FK123: my idea is...
FK123: if you believe that there is possibility of life on other planet ....
FK123: then with some regard you believe in God.
taciturn057: i ve no clue about it, and we didn t see any proof of it yet... but it s very likely there might be
taciturn057: and... what would god have to do in any of it...?
FK123: well you say that there could be life on other planets that automatically opens the possibility to god.
taciturn057: life is the result of conditions brought together, then evolution if that s possible. there is no need to bring god in any of it
FK123: sure there is
taciturn057: how do you link those to ideas.... ô_O
FK123: depending what you think god is
FK123: god could be the process of evolution
taciturn057: humm.. hahaha... hahahaha
taciturn057: i think i ll stop there... this is taking an absurd direction...
FK123: nah
FK123: i got you
FK123: thats all :)
taciturn057: yeah sure.. if you want.. you should think about a career in debates... trump might even hire you
taciturn057: you would win all cases by having your adversary leave the debate after 2 min of your saying and reasonning
FK123: thanks
FK123: a win is a win :)
taciturn057: {desperate sigh}
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ranushy: its like i'm jesus, or that i should be forgiving even though they will continue the killing :)
twelvedoors: yes
twelvedoors: if they're going to continue the killing anyway
twelvedoors: why not have the moral high ground?
ranushy: unbelievable, the fact that i'm arguing this with a 30 year old ignorant blind man just made me realize what this world has to offer :)
ranushy: "thats what jesus would have done" :)
twelvedoors: oh, maybe you're right; we should just kill everyone
peck420: Your life to waste as you see fit.
ranushy: no everyone, just those that deserve it :)
twelvedoors: that'll fix it
twelvedoors: so, like, abbas
ranushy: not* :)
peck420: That would certainly solve the water issues.
ranushy: all the Zionist Israelis :)
twelvedoors: we should all just pick sides based on religious tribalism and throw bullets at each other
twelvedoors: that's the solution
ranushy: the Zionists wont stop killing, and those people in palestine wont just give up their land, the fighting will continue until those demon thieves leave the homes of those people :)
twelvedoors: then i guess the fighting will just continue, full stop.
ranushy: unless those thieves and murderers leave :)
twelvedoors: which isn't going to happen
ranushy: https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/
ranushy: just take a look at this twelve :)
twelvedoors: i've seen it
twelvedoors: it's propaganda
ranushy: look at how many are dying :)
ranushy: i've been to palestine :)
twelvedoors: congratulations
ranushy: as i was walking in the grounds of palestine the zionist soldiers were all caring machine guns, ready to fire at any second, and i was just there to visit :)
ranushy: think of those that live there :)
twelvedoors: oh and they shot you?
ranushy: they've shot so many people :)
twelvedoors: they shot someone in front of you?
ranushy: and the fact that you think its ok for them to carry dangerous weapons as a way to threaten those innocent people just shows that i'm chatting with an old ignorant man :)
twelvedoors: the fact that you don't believe in evolution and also that we have an infinite supply of water says something about you too
ranushy: i'm wasting my time with you :)
twelvedoors: clearly
PuRe_Salt: back
ranushy: welcome back silky! :D
PuRe_Salt: :D
celestialheart: hi
taciturn057: weird discussion here :)
taciturn057: i believe in evolution and we clearly don t have an infinite supply of water
taciturn057: and i also think the zionist, in palestine, are the pb there...
taciturn057: 60 years ago, palestinian ppl were tranquil, then the jewish ppl, because they lived the Holocaust, and no one did anything to stop it, were granted some land they claimed belonged to them 2000 years ago...
life1996: You are making my day sir
taciturn057: and no one seem to wanna acknoledge the issue here... if it hadn t been a "protectorat" from british ppl, they would have never been able to get it...
taciturn057: anyways, i seem to have missed the discussion here...
ranushy: exactly! :)
taciturn057: haha
ranushy: finally, someone with a brain! :D
ranushy: besides me and loki :)
ranushy: and silky :)
PuRe_Salt: Sorry I'm doing some math work
taciturn057: i think twelve has a pretty good brain... i usually agree on most of what he says
taciturn057: but apparently not on palestine vs Zion
ranushy: ^^^^ :)
ranushy: true :)
taciturn057: do you really don t believe in evolution ranu ??
ranushy: thats fine silky, just focus on whats important :)
ranushy: in a way i do :)
taciturn057: i d say there aren t that many ways, you know.... evolution is a very basic theory that you can hardly argue against... no?
celestialheart: it took an hour to do my math homework yesterday
taciturn057: just long, or difficult?
celestialheart: it was long and a bit difficult
twelvedoors: to be clear, i'm not taking sides in the israel vs. palestine conflict
twelvedoors: but
twelvedoors: before i listened to loki calling for the destruction of israel day in and day out, i was very anti-israel
DJ_Church: I'm so sad
DJ_Church: I always imagined insanely ignorant and crazy people were all gone
ranushy: you know the fact that you changed sides just because of a one man's way of saying doesnt make sense :)
taciturn057: do you mean that loki made you change yr mind?
DJ_Church: And people only thought the moon landing was fake because it was funny
PuRe_Salt: DJ
twelvedoors: i mean that loki helped me realize how much both sides of this conflict are just propaganda efforts
PuRe_Salt: You asked how people even speedrun Fallout like 2 days ago
PuRe_Salt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o5yJAYIhKc
taciturn057: i know loki is a bit harsh on it, but the fact that jewish ppl invaded a land that didn t belong to them is a fact... history, neutral history, is just about facts...
twelvedoors: well, that's the history of all nations
loki_loptr____: But nowadays we have international laws, right to self-determination
loki_loptr____: Human rights
ranushy: yet doesnt make it right and that doesnt mean that the people should just give up their land just because "its the history of all nations" :)
ranushy: fighting for our rights is what keeps us going :)
twelvedoors: then have fun dying for them, too
loki_loptr____: I only present the facts
loki_loptr____: Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1.
taciturn057: it s just weird how ppl i find reasonable and who make sense, usually want to remain neutralin this current hot topic... how can history about the facts can be seen as palestinian side, or propaganda....?
twelvedoors: that's not all you present
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.
loki_loptr____: Israel currently has 261 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
ranushy: ^ :)
ranushy: those are all facts twelve :)
twelvedoors: so what?
twelvedoors: what do those facts matter?
ranushy: we're all going to die, but will we die for a cause? or die as losers who gave up whats rightfully theres? :)
twelvedoors: they're fuel for the conflict
ranushy: and allow the thieves to just have what they want :)
twelvedoors: die as a loser who gave up what was rightfully theirs or die as a loser who got shot in armed conflict
twelvedoors: either way, you're a loser
twelvedoors: and dead
ranushy: no, they're heros, who are fighting for their rights :)
twelvedoors: but they lost
twelvedoors: so they're losers
twelvedoors: by definition
ranushy: thats what you dont understand, yet you're fighting for water lol :)
twelvedoors: we all need water
twelvedoors: none of us need jerusalem
loki_loptr____: Twelve does not stand a chance in this debate so he resorts to petty trolling lmao
ranushy: they did not lose, they're showing the world whats going on around them, how much lives are getting lost by these thieves :)
ranushy: you're just too blind to see it :)
twelvedoors: i see it, believe me
twelvedoors: you're too blind to see that there's another way
ranushy: how can i believe you when you're just talking nonsense :)
twelvedoors: maybe you could try listening
ranushy: 2 people agree with me here :)
ranushy: because they see whats happening :)
twelvedoors: i see what's happening :)
twelvedoors: i know what's happening :)
twelvedoors: i'm informed and i have perspective :)
ranushy: yet you changed sides because loki said the truth in a way you didnt like lol :)
kisbi: :) :) :) whats with all the faces
twelvedoors: no
loki_loptr____: RIP to the latest (non combatant) victim of jewish violence
ranushy: kisbi, you're new here :)
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
ranushy: ^ :)
twelvedoors: i moved to a more moderate position because loki has exposed a deeper truth to me
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ranushy: ^ :)
twelvedoors: that this conflict is artificial, and perpetuated by the people who claim that they want to stop it
ranushy: they want what they worked hard to achieve :)
twelvedoors: and what is that, exactly
twelvedoors: jewish genocide?
loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.
ranushy: they worked hard on their land, their agriculture, their buildings, building their homes :)
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
twelvedoors: who, specifically?
ranushy: yet the jews came and destroyed all of it :)
ranushy: the palestinian people :)
twelvedoors: where's the list of names of palestinians who are working hard on building farms and houses?
twelvedoors: not just the ones who have been killed?
loki_loptr____: During Fiscal Year 2016, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $10.1 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.
twelvedoors: but the ones actively engaged in that, right now?
kisbi: I like pollo
ranushy: lmao, give me the specific names of the people that built ALL the homes on america twelve :)
twelvedoors: i'm just saying, you've got lists of the dead
twelvedoors: because those are the people you bother to track
twelvedoors: because it's good propaganda
taciturn057: it s not about being right or wrong... i m trying to understand how , with perspective, one can come to take a neutral positon on smthg that, for me, is pretty crystal clear
twelvedoors: the us gives more aid to palestine every year than any other country
taciturn057: i really don t get you on this one twelve
kisbi: or everyone could not give a shit about everythin
ranushy: because those that died died innocently, fighting for their rights, they died for a cause, yet you want the names of those that built all the building lol :)
twelvedoors: because palestine has been super effective in advancing their side of the conflict
twelvedoors: they don't tell you about how they convince young palestinians to act as human shields
ranushy: you're obviously mistaking israel for palestine :)
twelvedoors: they don't tell you about all the times abbas outright rejected peace talks
taciturn057: every war is dirty, twelve, that s not smthg new
twelvedoors: exactly
twelvedoors: so there's no good side here
skaren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To7EAl2qkII
loki_loptr____: Twelve spews zionist propaganda lol
twelvedoors: in 2016 alone, the US contributed $355,177,827 to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNWRA), of which $95 million was earmarked for the West Bank and Gaza.
twelvedoors: UNWRA also operates Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
loki_loptr____: Is absurd to say that the Palestinians do not love their children lmao
twelvedoors: In total, therefore, the US gave around $712 million in aid to Palestinians in 2016, and is the world’s largest supplier of such aid.
taciturn057: with that reasonning, my country would have been german by now, and the allies would have never come
loki_loptr____: They allow their children to die at the hands of zionists to make israel look bad?
ranushy: yes there is, its like a home being taken away from the family, and that family is supposed to accept that? :)
twelvedoors: and yet palestinian leadership claims that they don't receive any such aid
loki_loptr____: How stupid does that sound when put in prospective
twelvedoors: that's exactly what they do
twelvedoors: dusty old clerics
twelvedoors: telling young people that israel is the enemy
twelvedoors: and that to die for palestine is a virtue
loki_loptr____: Palestinians receive zero military aid for the US
twelvedoors: that's because palestine doesn't have a military
twelvedoors: duh
loki_loptr____: Ranu, stop allowing twelve to troll you
ranushy: yet the US provides weapons and money to the Zionists to kill the innocent palestinians and kick them out of their homes :)
twelvedoors: The $290 million dispensed to the PA via the USAID program in 2016 was spent as follows: $71 million for Gaza humanitarian assistance and water,
ranushy: ya, this is such a waste of time :)
twelvedoors: $41 million for water supply and sanitation, $31 million for economic growth, energy, and private sector development, $31 million for infrastructure, roads and community Infrastructure, $25 million for education and youth
twelvedoors: and $12 million for democracy and governance. Another $75 million was given for indirect support for debt relief.
twelvedoors: In addition to the USAID money, Washington gave the PA $54,824,000 for security and justice assistance.
loki_loptr____: wasnt 2016 the year israel cut water supply to gaza lol
twelvedoors: Such funds can cover training and supplies for the Palestinian security forces, as well as training for lawyers and judges. Further funding included $8.7 million under the Middle East Partnership Initiative for West Bank- and Gaza-specific programmin
twelvedoors: $2.1 million for public diplomacy to support education, civil society and women’s empowerment; and $2.2 million for the English Access Microscholarship Program.
twelvedoors: The Palestinian Authority’s leaders are open about their policy of providing salaries and other benefits to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails
twelvedoors: , including those convicted by Israeli civil courts of murder and terrorism, as well as to their families if they are killed while carrying out their attacks.
loki_loptr____: Someone killed someone in war time? =O
loki_loptr____: woah twelve
twelvedoors: so that totally invalidates your crocodile tears for dead palestinians
loki_loptr____: If I stand behind you and hit you in the head with a bat, we didnt have a fight
loki_loptr____: I assaulted you
loki_loptr____: That is what is going on in the occupied territories
twelvedoors: because countries are individuals
taciturn057: resistants in france were enrolling ppl to kill german, and sacrifice theirselves for "greater good" ... and dying for a free france was a virtue too... what is the difference here, twelve? i don t get it
loki_loptr____: right over your little head
meganon22: the only reason the us does all that is so that they don't have to feel guilty for all the stuff they've done to them and so they can make themselves look good
loki_loptr____: See Ranu
loki_loptr____: Twelve is like a trained monkey
loki_loptr____: He can be taught things, be he is still an idiot
loki_loptr____: Do not bother with him
twelvedoors: why israel–palestine, loki?
twelvedoors: of all the injustices in the world
ranushy: obviously twelves needs to be put in the palestinian situation, he needs whats happening to them to happen to him in order for him to understand how harsh the situation is, you think losing a loved one that died so young is easy? :)
twelvedoors: why are you so focused on the jews?
Somewhat1337: have you guys ever seen mike matei's massive schlong
taciturn057: it s not about jews....
loki_loptr____: ^
twelvedoors: then why do loki and ranu keep talking about the jews?
loki_loptr____: Lmao
loki_loptr____: Twelve understands so little
twelvedoors: if it's not about the jews, don't make it about the jews
ranushy: while you, an old man sitting behind a screen is defending the zionists the young palestinians are fighting for their rights and dying for it :)
taciturn057: beacuse it s a larger meaning for zionist
loki_loptr____: Just let him tire out, Taci<3
ranushy: while the* :)
twelvedoors: that's the main problem i have with all this propaganda
twelvedoors: so what are you doing to help, ranu?
twelvedoors: why aren't you on the front lines?
twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?
loki_loptr____: Twelves mad
twelvedoors: defending the palestinians?
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?
twelvedoors: i am mad; i'm mad ta you can so flippantly call for genocide
twelvedoors: it's disgusting
meganon22: twelve shut up i've had to put up with watching you rant about water and now this for nearly 2 hours give it a rest and just play the game
loki_loptr____: lolol
twelvedoors: so go to a different chat room
twelvedoors: not like you've had anything to say
loki_loptr____: We like Meganoon
meganon22: yes because i dont care enough to add any input
loki_loptr____: Why so salty, Twelve
ranushy: i'm a child thats defending my rights, no matter where i'm at, and i'll grow up to become someone great unlike yourself :)
taciturn057: play yr ****ing game meganon and stfu
twelvedoors: what rights are you defending?
meganon22: ranu literally joined this chat saying "im gay sos" and you ranted on about water
loki_loptr____: international human rights
ranushy: the palestinian rights :)
twelvedoors: so not your rights
meganon22: tacti feck off
twelvedoors: their rights
loki_loptr____: right to self determination
ranushy: its human rights! :)
twelvedoors: so the israelis also have a claim to them
loki_loptr____: Taci mad too =(
twelvedoors: they being human too
ranushy: being a thief has always been wrong, and fighting for what belongs to you has always been right :)
twelvedoors: you couch this conflict in such simplified terms
twelvedoors: no wonder you have such a one-sided view of it
ranushy: the israelis have claimed whats not rightfully theirs, you dont see that :)
Somewhat1337: mike matei's dong is massive guys
twelvedoors: the israelis are thieves, the palestinians are heroes
taciturn057: calling for a genocide isn t right, it s obviously absurd, anyone here can get it i think, but being against that do not force you to be ther whole cause
twelvedoors: is your solution to kill every last israeli or is it not?
taciturn057: *be against the whole
twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands
twelvedoors: i'm obviously appalled by the gross imbalance of power thre
taciturn057: yes i can go to sleep tranquil tonight =)
loki_loptr____: a bit of a contradiction lmao
ranushy: my solution is to get the israelis out of our land for good :)
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands
twelvedoors: no contradiction whatsoever
ranushy: it does not belong to them :)
loki_loptr____: DEFENDS ZIONIST AGGRESSION*
twelvedoors: where do you want them to go?
twelvedoors: they say it does belong to them
twelvedoors: they say god gave it to them millennia ago
taciturn057: thet weren t there before wwii
twelvedoors: i'm not defending zionist aggression and i never have
ranushy: america seems to be provides them lots of help, britain put them in our land to cause trouble, they can go to those places :)
twelvedoors: what i'm opposing is palestinian aggression
ranushy: providing* :)
taciturn057: resistance
loki_loptr____: State of israel created in 1948
twelvedoors: i'm happy to take them but they want to stay there
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: where are the palestians gonna go? :)
twelvedoors: why can't they stay there and coexist?
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: obviously underground considering they killed most of them :)
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: yet you stand with murderers :)
twelvedoors: jeez, so palestinians killed 134 children?
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
rich90master: what
ranushy: 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 :)
ranushy: do you see that number? :)
taciturn057: i understand you better then, twelve... but still, you can take this argument to make their presence, AND ocuupation right... that s the consequences from their acts... they werent there before 1948... not in that way...
rich90master: im legally blind
twelvedoors: so it comes down to scores for you
twelvedoors: the side that kills less is morally better
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
taciturn057: so where should they go shouldn t be the matter here
loki_loptr____: Not stealing land, massacring people
twelvedoors: well, they were there before 1948, they were just gone for a while
loki_loptr____: Yeah Id say morally better
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
ranushy: you do realize that most of those palestinians ARE children :)
twelvedoors: so if the palestinains had killed more children than the israelis, you'd be on israel's side
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
rich90master: what even is this chat
ranushy: to technically its children tha killed those israeli children in which those israeli children tried to kill those palestinian children :)
ranushy: so* :)
twelvedoors: so the solution to this conflict is for palestinians to kill more israeli children?
loki_loptr____: We are on the side of humanity
loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000
twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered me: why this conflict?
twelvedoors: why is this your pet issue?
taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument
loki_loptr____: andd twelve goes for the strawmen
twelvedoors: it's not a straw man
twelvedoors: unless you're made of straw
twelvedoors: i'm asking you, personally
ranushy: because its truth :)
twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine
ranushy: just like what you're presenting loki :)
twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered
taciturn057: not that much twelve sorry
loki_loptr____: hahaha
taciturn057: looks like israel propaganda
twelvedoors: what i'm arguing against is the vilification of people based on their religion
ranushy: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians :)
twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
ranushy: twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians
taciturn057: twelve,
taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
twelvedoors: ok so not ONLY
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
twelvedoors: but neither are you
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
twelvedoors: no i don't want people to intrude into my house
twelvedoors: obviously
loki_loptr____: LMAO
twelvedoors: not really the same thing
ranushy: LOL :)
twelvedoors: loki why israel–palestine?
taciturn057: it looks like exactly the same thing
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments
loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you
taciturn057: and it actually is
twelvedoors: so all americans should return their land to the native tribes
twelvedoors: by that argument
loki_loptr____: We didnt have 'international rights' in the 1600s
loki_loptr____: Nowadays we have such things as international law
ranushy: ^ :)
taciturn057: indeed, with loki on thta one
ranushy: brb :)
twelvedoors: still doesn't address the issue of what to do now
taciturn057: this isn t a reasonnable question
taciturn057: my previous analogy still stands
twelvedoors: so all the israelis
twelvedoors: including the ones who were born and raised there
twelvedoors: should just get out
taciturn057: of course
loki_loptr____: When twelve gets wrecked by Taci and Ranu <3
loki_loptr____: LMAO
twelvedoors: i don't feel wrecked
twelvedoors: outnumbered, maybe
taciturn057: how can you even ask twelve?
twelvedoors: because i care about human rights
twelvedoors: and displacing people from their homes
celestialheart: gotta proofread my essay
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
loki_loptr____: Same Twelve
taciturn057: if there had been 1 generation of german ppl born i france before the d-day, should have we kept them?
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
twelvedoors: i care about them too
twelvedoors: what upsets me is your call for violence
celestialheart: violence is bad
twelvedoors: and since there's nobody else here to defend the innocent israelis on that side of this conflict, i guess i have to
twelvedoors: "there are no innocent israelis"
twelvedoors: yeah, yeah
taciturn057: the consequence of their atcs belong to them and shoud not be in the "negociation"
twelvedoors: you're talking about children who had no control over where they were born or raised
taciturn057: celest <3
taciturn057: yeah and so..?
ranushy: taci speaks truth! :)
twelvedoors: and so there are no easy answers
ranushy: back :)
loki_loptr____: Starting in 2019, the U.S. will give Israel $38 billion over the next 10 years – $3.8 billion per year, which is $10.41 million per day.
taciturn057: because of that ppl who never asked for that sh*t should deal with them??
twelvedoors: well, that's trump for ya
twelvedoors: it's not about them or the other them, but about all of us
loki_loptr____: Obama did the same thing...
twelvedoors: israel hated obama
twelvedoors: israel loves trump
austin8515: I hate trump
taciturn057: and why israel-palestine issue/topic?
taciturn057: because israel-palestine is currently the biggest injustice in the world, that all our "developped" countries have helped put in place
twelvedoors: what about the rohingyan genocide
twelvedoors: or POK
twelvedoors: or the water crisis in south africa
twelvedoors: or the collapse of the venezuelan economy
taciturn057: they re not the biggest
twelvedoors: or ongoing human rights violations in china
taciturn057: injustice
twelvedoors: they're all equally unjust
taciturn057: that s why
twelvedoors: or US corporations using sweatshop labor
taciturn057: we didn t play such a role in it, twelve
twelvedoors: we do in the lattermost
celestialheart: tweilve i got a question
twelvedoors: at least, we americans do
twelvedoors: yes celest?
DJ_Church: So I'm watching a professional art critic reviewing some popular contemporary movies right, specifically a discussion over original ideas and when is a copy a rip-off
celestialheart: An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors to comparison of kitchen items to the young woman
celestialheart: does this need a comma
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces shot dead Ahmad Abdul-Jaber Salim, 28, with a bullet to the head. They then fired teargas canisters at ambulances and medics trying to treat him. Eye witnesses say the Israeli soldiers were firing live ammunition at Palestinian protes…
twelvedoors: "An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors comparing kitchen items to the young woman."
DJ_Church: Wait let me rephrase that
DJ_Church: I'm watching a video of someone making fun of Bee Movie knockoffs, and he said he liked one of them
celestialheart: except the period
DJ_Church: And that one happens to be based off of nazi propaganda?
twelvedoors: is that not a complete sentence?
loki_loptr____: sraeli soldiers conducting a live-fire training near Palestinian communities in Tubas shot a three-year-old Palestinian boy in the head.
twelvedoors: i'm against nazis
celestialheart: i'm just asking if there is a need for a comma or not
twelvedoors: well, where would the comma be?
celestialheart: idk
twelvedoors: no
twelvedoors: no need for a comma
celestialheart: k
twelvedoors: but "comparing," not "to comparison of"
austin8515: hello
ranushy: shooting a 3 year old is ok twelve? :)
twelvedoors: no
twelvedoors: shooting a three year old is not ok
rich90master: maybe that three year old had it coming
ranushy: the israelis you're defending shot that baby :)
twelvedoors: i'm not defending those israelis
PuRe_Salt: The park is in such a chatty mood today :D
twelvedoors: i'm defending the ones who haven't shot any babies
twelvedoors: i'm also not defending the palestinians who have shot babies
rich90master: that three year old prolly was a drug dealer
taciturn057: but still who shouldnt be there... :p
twelvedoors: but they are there, and there's no good way to kick them out
ranushy: the Israelis release bombs at the homes of the palestinians, technically killing the babies in there :)
twelvedoors: i'm still not defending any baby-killers
ranushy: and i know palestinians give birth like rabbits :)
loki_loptr____: A Palestinian Teen Puts His Hand in His Pocket. His Punishment: A Bullet in the Face
twelvedoors: i'm defending people who have not killed any babies and yet are lumped into the same group
taciturn057: anyways that was a good one... i respect yr opinion, i almost totally understand it, but i still don t agree at all
loki_loptr____: For no apparent reason, Israeli forces fired tear gas and stun grenades at a Palestinian high school during midterm exams.
ranushy: a palestinian teen, which let me tell you, is still a child :)
twelvedoors: yes i agree that teenagers are children
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have killed two more unarmed demonstrators in Gaza. Soldiers also shot a youth dressed as Santa Claus in the legs, and injured over 40 others with live ammunition. This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 si…
loki_loptr____: This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 since Dec. 6th. (No Israelis have been killed since September.)
ranushy: those palestinians who died during midterms, those are all children who looked forward to growing up and having a good life :)
ranushy: that was taken away from them :)
loki_loptr____: Deir Nitham is invaded by Israeli soldiers frequently – this time firing teargas bombs into a school full of children. Dozens suffered from teargas inhalation.
taciturn057: for me the consequences of their act should not serve as an argument against their eviction from that land that doesn t belong to them
loki_loptr____: Mohammed is 14 and in a coma from being shot in the face. Now 2 of his female cousins and his aunt are in prison. Because in occupied Palestine, Israel takes revenge on the victim.
taciturn057: because i still stand on that one : someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?
rich90master: bruh can we talk about something else thats actually important
celestialheart: oh shit i have a history test tomorrow
loki_loptr____: Israeli army sharpshooter couldn’t target the lower part of his victim’s body — he didn’t have one. The 29-year-old, who worked washing cars, lost both legs in an Israeli airstrike during Israel’s 2008 invasion of Gaza.
DJ_Church: :(
twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them
taciturn057: good luck with that celest, asyou obviously forgot about it
twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument
DJ_Church: I have to unplug my computer again
DJ_Church: And move my desks
DJ_Church: and I don't wannat
celestialheart: i don
celestialheart: t get rhombi
loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have recently abducted and imprisoned over 230 Palestinians – dozens of them children – who now face inhumane conditions in prison. Soldiers refer to them as “Trump detainees.”
loki_loptr____: Video shows shows soldiers dragging a young Palestinian man through the streets of Hebron, repeatedly kicking, slapping, and manhandling him.
rich90master: does anyone actually care what loki is saying
taciturn057: who d be the thieft her etwelve ô_0 ?
taciturn057: *here
twelvedoors: exactly
loki_loptr____: srael is keeping Palestinians in the Dark Ages technologically, at least 16 years behind the rest of the world in internet access, denying human development, which is a human right.
ranushy: and give them the house, after working hard on fixing it, providing a life for your children in it, paying all that money for it, you'd just give it to them :)
twelvedoors: it would be a complicated issue with no clear right or wrong side
rich90master: phew much better muting him
ranushy: *here, take my house and everything in it, and its ok if you killed my child, i'll forgive you" -twelve :)
loki_loptr____: Tom Cotton, expected to become CIA director, is owned by the Israel Lobby. In 2014 he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel and additional money from the Republican Jewish Coalition… Foundation for Defense of Democracies is neo…
twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument
ranushy: thats literally how you sound right now :)
loki_loptr____: A 1-minute video about Mohammad Abu Haddaf, 4, who died on On Dec, 6, 2017 from wounds he suffered three years before, when Israeli army drones fired missiles at his family’s home. He had been in critical condition ever since. The missile also kille…
twelvedoors: then you're not listening
twelvedoors: but what else is new
ranushy: twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument
MadCarbine3: whats happening my peeps
MadCarbine3: \
twelvedoors: yeah because maybe i don't have a claim to this house, in that case
rich90master: very dumb convo
ranushy: 2000 years after, you dont have a claim for it :)
twelvedoors: it's complicated
taciturn057: zionist jews came, settled on private lands, called it theirs, it s not very complicated....
ranushy: ^^^^ :)
taciturn057: you can t go back 2000 years ago... it s absurd...
twelvedoors: from the palestinian side, that's how it looks
taciturn057: so from what i get, it s ok to do this for you twelve, if you manage to resist to any evition until you got children there and it s too much complicated to make you move back.... weird....
twelvedoors: look, i don't think religion is a good justification for property claims
twelvedoors: but i'm not jewish
loki_loptr____: Taciturn is a hero
taciturn057: because the only reason ppl start defending now is that they managed to let 60 years go by...
celestialheart: loki do you know any trans ppl
twelvedoors: yeah, and sixty years did go by
ranushy: taci is truly a hero :)
rich90master: man **** this chat
loki_loptr____: We dont have very many trans in the south
loki_loptr____: So no
twelvedoors: i also don't think that religion is a good justification for forcing women to cover their hair
twelvedoors: but i'm not muslim
taciturn057: thanks guys, but that wasn t the purpose
taciturn057: :p
twelvedoors: i don't think religion is a good justification for anything
twelvedoors: and yet it is being used as justification for war
taciturn057: stfu rich, go read the description of this room
loki_loptr____: a modest hero<3
twelvedoors: if it weren't for religious justification, we wouldn't have an israeli–palestinian conflict, just a bunch of people living in the middle east
ranushy: muslim women cover their hair as a way of showing respect to themselves and not have men get attracted to them, its not just muslim women, if you look back not so long ago, all women covered their hair :)
ranushy: even nuns do it :)
twelvedoors: because of religion
ranushy: they used to cover their hair with hats :)
MadCarbine3: twelve you are getting things twisted
twelvedoors: because a bunch of men told them it was immodest and god didn't like it
MadCarbine3: uhhh
taciturn057: half agrre with you one that one ranu
loki_loptr____: Twelve doesnt understand another culture lol
loki_loptr____: Irony
MadCarbine3: yall should do some research before making false claims
ranushy: lol :)
taciturn057: the way it is currently for muslim girl isn t quite like that
ranushy: for some muslim girls its literally cultural :)
twelvedoors: all prohibitions concerning clothing or the lack thereof come from religion
twelvedoors: religious culture
ranushy: to cover is to not show your butt, boobs, anything thats revealing and considered private :)
twelvedoors: dictated by men
taciturn057: muslim guys aren t able to control themselves in front of thier girls so they force them , in most of the case, to wear it...
twelvedoors: i.e. the patriarchy
loki_loptr____: It was apart of the culture
MadCarbine3: yall need to get shit right
twelvedoors: and that's why i'm not trying to tell muslims that they can't wear burkas
loki_loptr____: so custom that religion has adapted it
loki_loptr____: Understand it in the context of history
taciturn057: ranu are you palestinian?
taciturn057: arab?
loki_loptr____: Just like in the jew book, the Torah, it says to kill homosexuals
taciturn057: muslim?
twelvedoors: american?
loki_loptr____: That was generally the custom of the time
loki_loptr____: The holy book adapted it
ranushy: yet some girls wear skin tight clothes and cover their hair, it is cultural, it attracts the eyes more than a girl that doesnt wear a hijab yet wearing a long skirt and a modest shirt :)
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